Saturday 19 May 2012

Some where, no subs


Some show, some where, with no sub frequencies.
Oh well. Set up, normal. Speaker placement, done. Amps plugged up, done.
Cables ran, yup. 
Power up than. Done, all normal.

Cd goes into player, check.
Levels into desk, check. No red blinking lights, check.
Input as normal from cd, all ok.
Now the fun part. The outputs.

Outputs to system, normal. System check, done.
Boxes/Component check, done.

 Levels between high boxes, done.
Time between high boxes and subs, done.
Levels between high boxes and FF, done.
Time between high high boxes and FF, done.
    Adjustment of levels of components, done. So called " eq'ing " of system, if any, done.
 Tuning of system to venue, done.

An " ok sounding " system up and running. And ready for inputs. Did I miss out anything? Pls let me know if I did.

Input. Hmmmm... The whole time doing system checks and tuning and all else, 4 CD's were used. That's it. Just 4. Well recorded disk`s me thinks.

During the above, they were all there. So called highs, mids, lows and subs. All present. The full range. Balanced between high boxes, subs and FF's. 
The sub extension fitted nicely with wad ever was coming out the main system. Is this the way? Or not? Let me know. 

Also taking into account the lack of humans in the venue,whilst on show day it'll be a full house. Hey subs, sorry gonna turn u up a bit here.

Kk, let's go into the sub crap.

The 4 CD's used had it all. Vocals, techno, mixed, instruments, band type, all sorts.
As for the subs, a particular cd has that. Damm good CD for the low end this one, Antix. Lull. First one min of the track will make any subs work.
Ok, so testing was done with that cd for the sub cabinets. Plus the low end of the Hi box.

Fuk me. Boy was it loud. (subs I meant). And I could even feel my knee caps move on its own. Nice cross over in that processor i think, personnally.

Ok. I though, fuk that the subs work. Nicely pushed up to lvl in with the high cabinets. An overall nice, solid wall of sound heading towards the FOH. Balanced I guess. Had to turn down the subs a bit. Was really kicking hard.
Will do adjustments again when the crowd is in.
I would like to add, these CD's were all played from where the DJ would spin and play all music related to the show. The CD players i mean.
Guess that sorts out the line check from the player to the mixer.

Reh time. Oh well. Sources were, the dj's mac, and also from the video side.
Video tested. In video land, they have recorded some tracks given by me. In WAV format. When he plays those tracks, and the Snd desk gets the source, it's acceptable. These tracks are firstly for system checks only. To check the line from his output to the desk. Not so much for system balancing.

Walking round the venue, back to amps adjusting components, walking out, re adjusting. Did the whole lot. Reh and show time. Sigh.((

When I get the source from the DJ, it is still acceptable. Most tracks.
Lol. Most tracks. Most tracks are "full" sounding. But kinda of missing "something". 
Could it be the subs? I would think so. Can I do something bout it? Not too sure. Don't think I could, or ever can.

Some tracks have the really low ends, subs work fine. Most tracks got bout 30% less subs than the others. Most tracks got fuck all subs.

" hey nick. Why no sub? "
Hmm. Errrr. I'm in shit. People start to talk
" why is there no sub?"
Uh oh. i really am in shit. Not doing my job correctly.

Guess I got some explaining to do come monday.

Shit in, shit out, as the saying goes.

Eg, when the source coming into the desk is missing some fq's, I can't amplify those fq's. There's nothing for me to. 
When I play my cd, it's all there. Subs included. Level balanced. 

So when there are no subs, it's cos I got no "subs" to amp up.

Is it my fault? It could be. Cranking up the lows on the input channels ain't going to help much. Looking at the input eq and bringing up what a person thinks is missing ain't going to get u those "lows".

Hence, whole show no subs, only at certain times. When there's a nice good full signal coming in, yes, subs are there. 

Other than that, whole show felt like there's not enough subs.

It is not an issue with " nick not putting enough sub cabinets that's why no subs coming out". It is not an issue with "the cross over in the sub being at the wrong settings" and not allowing those sub-sonic fq's coming out. 

The DJ. Source? Their macs. DJ spinners. All music in wad ever format in the computer. MP3? MP4? Don't think it's at lease Wav's. Are those good sources? Compressed? 

They are compressed. Hell, Wad was lost at both the high and low ends? 
Many sounds/noise you hear are made up of certain fq's. This applies to the whole audible range. If certain fq's are being compressed at the low end, I take it these fq's won't be audible. I also take it when the DJ plays tracks which have certain things "missing", those "missing" things will not get to the sound desk. And when it's not there, nothing will be sent to the amps, and fuk all to amplify. 

Tell me if I'm wrong here. I get confused.

Show time. Whole show. Missing subs?

The next day, after the hoo haa of the first day's missing sub, I powered up the system, and chucked in the cd. There it was again. The subs. Present. A bit full for an empty venue, but that's it. Come show time it will be nice. Show sucked. The DJ was a different guy. He follows the MC and plays all his music during the show. Fuk knows where he recorded his music from. 90% no sub fq's.

So on Monday, I report to my boss, who also said there was not enough subs at the venue, to explain myself. Fuk.